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Post by hampshirerock on Oct 24, 2020 19:02:13 GMT 1
After a great win today. I have gone home very happy but with one thing that definitely needs looking at by the club which is the lack of social distancing and people wearing a face mask while queing for the canteen. While queing at half time today everyone is toe to toe and far to close to each other and out of 20/25 people queuing 2 people including me had masks on. When I ask one person about distancing they laughed about it while ording over my shoulder then reaching round me and almost touching me to pick it up (which definitely isn't 1 meter plus away). I know the club have done a great job at making the ground covid save and I say a big well to everyone who has made this possible . But is there anything the club could do about this. Maybe have a couple of stewards at half time making people stand apart and wear a mask to que up. Apart from this everything is brilliant and the ground looks amazing so well done to all involved.
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Post by Pete Helsby on Oct 24, 2020 19:13:18 GMT 1
The club can only do so much. You have to rely on everyone using common sense. The only way to police it, if people cant do as they are asked, is to close the canteen. Then you are penalising the majority of the supporters who are doing as they are asked. Surely inthis day and age folk can use a bit of common sense, its not hard is it?
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Post by hampshirerock on Oct 24, 2020 19:25:51 GMT 1
The club can only do so much. You have to rely on everyone using common sense. The only way to police it, if people cant do as they are asked, is to close the canteen. Then you are penalising the majority of the supporters who are doing as they are asked. Surely inthis day and age folk can use a bit of common sense, its not hard is it? I know you say common sense Pete but clearly not many people have any when this virus is involved. |
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Post by The Gupster on Oct 24, 2020 19:59:56 GMT 1
Dan, you make some very pertinant points and I think the one thing we can do is look at the way queueing occurs and see if we can filter that. This will stop the convergance of people into the canteen and hopefully make the whole process smoother. Although we have no right to enforce mask wearing if we make the queueing process simpler this should help with social distancing and "crown management". Agree about all the rest you have said - the club is a very positive place too be and the fans have been excellent in their efforts to assist us Covid wise and we have a huge debt of gratitude to the stewarding team for this.
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Post by kof on Oct 24, 2020 20:20:01 GMT 1
Understand your point, Hampshire Rock, but I agree with Pete. Football matches, even at our level, attract morons/uncaring people, some of whom are less responsible as they drink more. IMO, the Club have published a very good policy re Covid and have implemented it sensibly, not too draconian and eminently reasonable. No matter what we think of the infection and how it is spread, and there is no scientific consensus on this, there will always be risk. I would say the at the Lane, things are pretty good. So, speaking as an ex-military man a bit used to risk, like Pete, and latterly risk management consultant, I say make one's own decision about attending matches, as I do.
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Post by Pete Helsby on Oct 24, 2020 20:26:44 GMT 1
The club can only do so much. You have to rely on everyone using common sense. The only way to police it, if people cant do as they are asked, is to close the canteen. Then you are penalising the majority of the supporters who are doing as they are asked. Surely inthis day and age folk can use a bit of common sense, its not hard is it? I know you say common sense Pete but clearly not many people have any when this virus is involved. Then the simple fact is, if that is the case, football will the loser. We are very fortunate to be able to play and attend to watch. That will be lost in a whisper if people cant behave. |
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Post by Pete Helsby on Oct 24, 2020 20:27:21 GMT 1
Dan, you make some very pertinant points and I think the one thing we can do is look at the way queueing occurs and see if we can filter that. This will stop the convergance of people into the canteen and hopefully make the whole process smoother. Although we have no right to enforce mask wearing if we make the queueing process simpler this should help with social distancing and "crown management". Agree about all the rest you have said - the club is a very positive place too be and the fans have been excellent in their efforts to assist us Covid wise and we have a huge debt of gratitude to the stewarding team for this. |
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Post by Pete Helsby on Oct 24, 2020 20:34:01 GMT 1
Ian makes some good points without doubt. But at the end of the day, If we have people in queues who couldnt care less, we have a real problem. Its simple, just follow the usual covid rules or we will ALL pay a major penalty.
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Post by paphosroger on Oct 24, 2020 22:03:00 GMT 1
Unfortunately at every level there are certain people who cock a snoop at advice or authority and believe it doesn’t apply to them. People aren’t born idiots they just become one and they will be the first to complain when fans are excluded from matches. Ask any fan of Premiership teams if given the chance to attend matches would they socially distance in queues if it meant being able to
attend matches and of course they would
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Post by hampshirerock on Oct 24, 2020 22:06:01 GMT 1
Dan, you make some very pertinant points and I think the one thing we can do is look at the way queueing occurs and see if we can filter that. This will stop the convergance of people into the canteen and hopefully make the whole process smoother. Although we have no right to enforce mask wearing if we make the queueing process simpler this should help with social distancing and "crown management". Agree about all the rest you have said - the club is a very positive place too be and the fans have been excellent in their efforts to assist us Covid wise and we have a huge debt of gratitude to the stewarding team for this. Sounds like a good plan. I know you can't make people wear masks but the que system and marks on the floor might help the issue. Thank you Ian. |
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Post by westbank on Oct 24, 2020 22:44:19 GMT 1
My local Tesco won't let you in if you a not wearing a mask and there are 2m signs on show.
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Post by Rattlesnake on Oct 25, 2020 2:30:51 GMT 1
A reasonable point raised initially in all fairness, and I have every faith the club will sort it, by means of barriers or whatever, very soon. Bognor's committee(s) have proved to be on top of this awful situation thus far.
As an aside, I hopped a game yesterday at Southern Combination premier division level (but in Cambridgeshire) and the club I visited was the strictest yet that I've found this season. Clubhouse service only by texting the club and giving the number of the table you were sitting at.
Shame there have been fewer posts about another home win.
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Post by Goldy on Oct 25, 2020 9:24:26 GMT 1
It’s a tough one isn’t it. Some people get it,some don’t.
I’ve worked through a supermarket all the way through this and trust me when I say people don’t know social distancing.
The club have done great things when people enter Nyewood Lane which have to be applauded,it’s the only place I’ve been checked for my temperature.
Hopefully there’s a simple solution to this.
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Post by jackswoolyhat on Oct 25, 2020 10:55:40 GMT 1
It's a reasonable view from Hampshire Rock and an illustration of how we all view situations differently and sometimes need a little reminder when we relax our guard.
Ian Guppy's reply is also very balanced and considered. Ian should be thanked by us all for the time and hard work he has provided to help the club try to meet the demanding compliance standards required.
The majority of supporters seem to be respecting other peoples space, and the biggest bonus is that our gatherings are in an outdoor space.
We're far safer in the open air at Nyewood Lane than in Sainsbury's or Tesco's, our local pub or restaurant, or on a train or bus.
We've done well so far in managing the situation in our first three home matches at Nyewood Lane. We're still learning, and with the help of constructive feedback from the likes of Hampshire Rock and others we will improve further.
We've got lots to be thankful for.
#Green Army
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Post by Pete Helsby on Oct 25, 2020 11:00:45 GMT 1
It's a reasonable view from Hampshire Rock and an illustration of how we all view situations differently and sometimes need a little reminder when we relax our guard. Ian Guppy's reply is also very balanced and considered. Ian should be thanked by us all for the time and hard work he has provided to help the club try to meet the demanding compliance standards required. The majority of supporters seem to be respecting other peoples space, and the biggest bonus is that our gatherings are in an outdoor space. We're far safer in the open air at Nyewood Lane than in Sainsbury's or Tesco's, our local pub or restaurant, or on a train or bus. We've done well so far in managing the situation in our first three home matches at Nyewood Lane. We're still learning, and with the help of constructive feedback from the likes of Hampshire Rock and others we will improve further. We've got lots to be thankful for. #Green Army Good Post, I agree. |
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Post by Pete Helsby on Oct 25, 2020 11:07:54 GMT 1
A reasonable point raised initially in all fairness, and I have every faith the club will sort it, by means of barriers or whatever, very soon. Bognor's committee(s) have proved to be on top of this awful situation thus far. As an aside, I hopped a game yesterday at Southern Combination premier division level (but in Cambridgeshire) and the club I visited was the strictest yet that I've found this season. Clubhouse service only by texting the club and giving the number of the table you were sitting at. Shame there have been fewer posts about another home win. Rattler, they are on another post. To be fair this one is all about safe distancing and how to improve it. All posts are very relevant and we continue to learn. I must just point out that we have a lovely spacious clubhouse and it is so frustrating that we cannot utilize it as normal. But Im sure most of our supporters fully understand that if we still had all the tables and chairs in there and with everyone in there having to be seated at all times, table service would cost the club an absolute fortune. In these sorry times, the club is having to be careful with every penny as you all fully understand. Lets just hope the weather keeps favourable until there is light at the end of this very dark Tunnell. |
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Post by mistral on Oct 25, 2020 13:09:40 GMT 1
Good points raised the club are quite clear in their tannoy announcement re queueing at the food kiosk so the simple answer is not to serve anyone that refuses to wear a mask. It's a totally reasonable request to wear a mask at that location to protect others in the queue & those serving. As someone pointed out we are very lucky to be able to watch the game especially when we are winning & bearing in mind covid is also increasing in our area it only takes someone at the game to test positive to draw unwanted attention & risk clubs at our level suffering the same fate as the National League. It is sad that we are discussing this instead of the game.
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Post by jennyfromtherox on Oct 25, 2020 13:49:48 GMT 1
Thanks I am the one making the tannoy announcements, so it is very disappointing to hear that people are ignoring them.
I know a lot about covid rules in fast food restaurants, because in the summer my job was to supervise queuing in a fast food restaurant under covid rules.
It is a legal requirement to wear a face mask when ordering food at a fast food restaurant and when seated to eat or drink in a hospitality premise such as a pub, bar, restaurant or cafe. You must put a face covering back on once you finish eating or drinking.
If the club is insisting face masks are worn when ordering food from the canteen, then I am guessing there is no exemption for the kiosk being situated outside. The facemask has to be worn because you are talking to the fast food employees and there is a risk of spread from both parties.
The only reason not to wear a facemask is because of a medical exemption. At the fast food restaurant, if you did not have a facemask, you did not get served unless medically exempt. The fast food employees have a role in enforcing it.
Ideally there should be screens on the canteen too, especially if people are not wearing facemasks and it is not being enforced.
Discs on the floor can help with social distancing so people have a spot to stand on, but ultimately if people are still not complying then it will have to be supervised with stewards or canteen employees.
Track and trace is also a legal requirement, but at the football club this is dealt with at the gate. The club have gone above and beyond with the temperature checking. This is in line with work practises at the fast food restaurant.
A one way queuing system can also help with social distancing.
This being said, you will still be confronted with people who object to facemasks on principle, people who can't be bothered to follow any covid rules and those who have forgotten to bring or wear a facemask.
To a certain extent with such a large body of people, you have to rely on co-operation from people and most people are there to have a good time and will respect the rules. However, there is always a small minority who think rules don't apply to them and spoil it for others. This is why you need rules and to enforce them if necessary.
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Post by gpman on Oct 26, 2020 17:39:11 GMT 1
Spot on JFTR
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Post by gpman on Oct 26, 2020 17:40:43 GMT 1
I purposely didn't go to the canteen when I saw what was happening
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Post by hampshirerock on Nov 1, 2020 13:30:42 GMT 1
Well done to all involved in the queueing system at the canteen. Even tho hardly anyone is still wearing a mask atleast the queueing is made easier and feels alot safer. Thank you to everyone who helped to make the changes happen.
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Post by nautique on Nov 1, 2020 16:44:11 GMT 1
It was noticed by a few of us that the team rushed over to the crowd behind the goal when scoring and hugging the crowd. Celebrating the goals in this way is just as bad as joining the canteen queue without a face mask. Maybe the team should be requested to stop at the by-line when celebrating and not risk contracting the virus from someone in the crowd. Anyway thanks to the entire team for a fantastic result and look forward to another win on Tuesday.
COYR
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Post by Goldy on Nov 1, 2020 17:07:03 GMT 1
It was noticed by a few of us that the team rushed over to the crowd behind the goal when scoring and hugging the crowd. Celebrating the goals in this way is just as bad as joining the canteen queue without a face mask. Maybe the team should be requested to stop at the by-line when celebrating and not risk contracting the virus from someone in the crowd. Anyway thanks to the entire team for a fantastic result and look forward to another win on Tuesday. COYR I’ve watched all the games we’ve scored in and that’s the first time that’s happen. Emotions were running hi,I think what didnt help there was a “fan” I’ve never seen before entered the pitch. Which then did cause a bundle as mentioned. In this current climate it’s not right,but it’s happened and let’s make it a massive thing. I worked in a supermarket all the way through and still have people pretty much doing the same over my shoulders. Anyway like you say great performance and win.. onto you Tuesday which could be the last for a while. Up The Rocks. 💚 |
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