Consistency of results, & turning the draws into wins

[neil99]

I have really been impressed with the side as whole this season so far, having only been beated by Haringey & Folkstone.  Where we have fallen short I feel is drawing to many games where the teams above us have not.  Potters Bar, Wingate, Horsham & Bowers spring to mind.  Now are we better than these teams. With all due respect I think we could have gained maximum points.  Mind you Worthing, Enfield and Lewes have all lost recently.  Who saw Folkstone losing 5-0 to Carshalton, and we beat Carshalton,  & C Casuals beating Lewes so go figure. Cheshunt are the in form team at the moment having checked my stats and we beat them !!

I think December will define us as a team this season and really test us with Enfield, Lewes Worthing, Bishop Stortford C Casuals and even Hornchurch this Saturday will be no mugs.  We have got great players a great manager and a great fanbase.  Do not think we will win the league but a play off push would be nice and to do the double over Worthing on Boxing Day, fingers crossed.

Thoughts and input gratefully appreciated.  Hope you are all safe and well.  Neil

[bognorrocks]

Hi Neil excellent post it is a difficult league and we have seen so far this season anyone can beat anyone in this league also we need a bit of luck with injuries and suspensions and hopefully we can keep closing the gap with the teams ahead of us.

[Dave Silk (ex shottermiller)]

But guys a lot of the bookings could simply be avoided by keeping their mouths shur and accepting the Ref's decision.

[kof]

Like when the ref gave Jordy a red card for 2 yellows when, in reality, he had only given one, resulting in 2 more yellows for "dissent" at the decision and Rocks playing the last 11 minutes with 10 men.

[cityboy]

Very easy to comment if you don't see the game andvthe context of the cards given.
The players are humans who are giving their heart to the game only to be pulled up by over zealous inconsistent officials !!!
Today was a classic example of that in my opinion.
I know officials are doing their best but their decisions could well be the cause of the frustrations🤔🤔🤔.
Just a thought.

[kof]

Fully agree, cityboy. My post above was intended to argue sarcastically against Dave's post and to be in line with yours but perhaps it did not read that way - my fault.
An example of wacky decisions in my opinion was the yellow given to Jordy today for "diving". From what I could see, he didn't, he was tripped or fell over, it was not deliberate but the ref was seemingly on his mission for the day.

[heljag]

Nov 27, 2021 20:22:49 GMT 1 kof said:

Fully agree, cityboy. My post above was intended to argue sarcastically against Dave's post and to be in line with yours but perhaps it did not read that way - my fault.
An example of wacky decisions in my opinion was the yellow given to Jordy today for "diving". From what I could see, he didn't, he was tripped or fell over, it was not deliberate but the ref was seemingly on his mission for the day.

It is funny when  a team lose the ref is to blame if your team win not much is spoken about the ref (but) I do agree
Officials are a problem so inconsistent (but) we as supporter's have to take it. All I say is what goes around comes
Around. Take it on the chin and come back big time. We lost last weekend in the league in the closing minutes
Top corner hand ball nails on red card plus pen. Not not given. We took that on the chin and lost our unbeaten run
We just can't wait to meet Cray wanders next Saturday. Ref's just wannabe players. So stop moaning and score
More goals than the team you're playing and stop moaning.......!

[statto]

Nov 27, 2021 20:22:49 GMT 1 kof said:

An example of wacky decisions in my opinion was the yellow given to Jordy today for "diving". From what I could see, he didn't, he was tripped or fell over, it was not deliberate but the ref was seemingly on his mission for the day.

There was no contact between the defender and Jordy. It was an obvious dive. I think the referee got that one right.

[kof]

So, anyone who goes down without contact on the field of play gets a yellow card, right?

[Pete Helsby]

Nov 27, 2021 23:33:48 GMT 1 statto said:

Nov 27, 2021 20:22:49 GMT 1 kof said:

An example of wacky decisions in my opinion was the yellow given to Jordy today for "diving". From what I could see, he didn't, he was tripped or fell over, it was not deliberate but the ref was seemingly on his mission for the day.

There was no contact between the defender and Jordy. It was an obvious dive. I think the referee got that one right. [/quot

[Pete Helsby]

Quite agree with that Rob. He didnt make ontact

[Pete Helsby]

Im not going to get involved in making comment about referees. Some have much better performance levels than others, thats football. All I will say is this, because of the amount of abuse they are taking both on the pitch, from managers and spectators off it, there are less referees now than ever. This inevitably means that referees with less experience are being appointed to a higher level to cover games. Make of that what you wish, but its my view that abuse is the main cause of this.

As regards todays game, I found it very disappointing. I agree there is some argument for the weather conditions,on the day were very difficult. But that is no excuse for our performance levels. The first half was an awful performance with very little to credit it. We had the majority of play percentage wise in the second half but they had the better chances. We hardly made any real chances during the whole 90 minutes.The arguement is that we are a young side and still learning. My argument is that you always learn and carry on learning. Question is are our players? We are being very inconsistent and if this continues, we have no chance of making the play offs. Im not sure that there has been a game this season, other than those against a lesser opposition, where we have been consistantly good for 90 mins. Perhaps its time to bring in some older heads in certain positions to try and remedy the problem. I just hope that our squad reflect on yesterdays performance and compare it to say, Margate the weeks before. Its chalk and cheese and there cant be any excuses.

[Goldy]

Nov 28, 2021 9:59:27 GMT 1 Pete Helsby said:

Im not going to get involved in making comment about referees. Some have much better performance levels than others, thats football. All I will say is this, because of the amount of abuse they are taking both on the pitch, from managers and spectators off it, there are less referees now than ever. This inevitably means that referees with less experience are being appointed to a higher level to cover games. Make of that what you wish, but its my view that abuse is the main cause of this.

As regards todays game, I found it very disappointing. I agree there is some argument for the weather conditions,on the day were very difficult. But that is no excuse for our performance levels. The first half was an awful performance with very little to credit it. We had the majority of play percentage wise in the second half but they had the better chances. We hardly made any real chances during the whole 90 minutes.The arguement is that we are a young side and still learning. My argument is that you always learn and carry on learning. Question is are our players? We are being very inconsistent and if this continues, we have no chance of making the play offs. Im not sure that there has been a game this season, other than those against a lesser opposition, where we have been consistantly good for 90 mins. Perhaps its time to bring in some older heads in certain positions to try and remedy the problem. I just hope that our squad reflect on yesterdays performance and compare it to say, Margate the weeks before. Its chalk and cheese and there cant be any excuses.

I have to agree. Performance felt so so flat.
Said it all season I don’t think our formation suits the players we have,the forward 3 are so far apart it’s why we never win any second balls.

A very good sizeable crowd again,and unfortunately they weren’t treated to much. Hopefully it’ll be better next week.

[statto]

Nov 28, 2021 8:59:30 GMT 1 kof said:

So, anyone who goes down without contact on the field of play gets a yellow card, right?

If it’s a dive, yes - hence why Jordy was booked.
If it’s not a dive, no.

[kof]

And the definition of a dive is ?

[Pete Helsby]

Nov 28, 2021 17:27:50 GMT 1 kof said:

And the definition of a dive is ?

Opinion, simple

[kof]

Agreed, Pete.
Apologies for being boring about this but:
Unless the ref was a mystic (and some of them appear to think they are) the ref did not know whether it was an intentional going to ground in order to gain a penalty. I can concede from others with a better view that there was no contact but that does not mean it was an "obvious dive" although Statto seems to imply that no contact meant it was. I could go into detail about the incident and argue Jordy tried to avoid a tackle and went to ground but the point is that the ref made a major decision about a yellow card on his opinion of the intention of a player.
I still think the ref made a "wacky" decision, perhaps "mystic" would be a better word.
Just an example of the original point above about players disagreeing with ref's decisions.
Finished now.

[heljag]

I say the only time you get a discussion on this bognor site is when you lose and moan about the ref 
My mate we all get the same ref's (if it wasn't for the official's you  would be top of the league no doubt
About it) we should have been two or three nil up before they scord....? But you wasn't. Love the crowd's
You are getting make's for a classic. Just watch this space......?

[Felpham Rock]

I know many are going to disagree with me as to where we are but that’s why we love football. Seeing fans saying the same things. Every team can beat each other. The ref was poor. We have to stop making mistakes etc. For me even in pre season two issues were obvious. We need an experienced central midfielder to help our promising young players & a front man who can lead the line & stick the ball in the net. I’m not sure the system helps either. It’s great we try & play out from the back but when the better sides ‘press’ we end up launching a long ball to forwards who want the ball to feet. Every second ball falls to the opposition because Calvin & Harvey are natural defenders so sit deep which means there’s often a 40 yard gap between our forwards & midfield when we are forced to hit long balls. I know fans will say these type of players are hard to find & I appreciate that. However gates are double what was expected & we’ve got fans putting money into the club so hopefully there’s some leeway with the budget? Every week on websites I’m seeing teams in our league on a fraction of our gates strengthening in vital areas. The league is getting stronger by the week & unfortunately we seem to be standing still. There’s a great feeling around the club & it would be a shame to see crowds dropping off if we drift down to mid table.

[Dave Silk (ex shottermiller)]

It must be an expensive excercise to bring a guy down from the London area or wherever just to keep the bench warm.

[charlie]

Problem is you’ve got a striker making lots of runs and getting little or no service. He won the penalty after a great pass from Crane and took on 4 defenders. Not enough passes played to feet across the team. Keeper still hitting long balls in the air in gale force winds and seems reluctant to play out from the back. A no 11 who doesn’t want to pass or cross any balls or shoot.
There doesn’t seem to be much togetherness in this squad and the interview afterwards doesn’t help. Overall decision making on the pitch has to be better.