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Post by Pete Helsby on Sept 21, 2022 21:52:01 GMT 1
I havnt seen the makeup of the side tonight at Kingstonian, but from what little bits l heard on Rocks radio, it seems it was very much a scratch side because of injuries. A 2-2 draw away from home is therefore a good result in the circumstance
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Post by cityboy on Sept 22, 2022 0:11:55 GMT 1
A game we dominated except for a poor 10 minute period. Should have won but ruined by the officials who would have struggled to have controlled a U12 game !!😡😡😡 Considering we played most of the 2nd half with 10 players a draw was probably not a bad result, however its a case of points dropped tather points won imo
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Post by stevebone on Sept 22, 2022 10:10:10 GMT 1
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Post by Dodgy Keeper on Sept 22, 2022 10:18:56 GMT 1
Didn't think the ref was that bad. He was the first one this season to penalise shirt pulling. Yes, a K's player should have been booked for a trip but our sending off for two yellow cards reflected the fact that the Ks were applying a lot of pressure which we found difficult to handle.
Robbie deserved his talking to. He was out of the technical area most of the night and bad mouthed the ref. Personally, I don't think he set a good example.
Fact is that we started well and scored a lucky / incredible goal in the first half when the Ks were not fully on the offensive. Once they sorted themselves out they looked more dangerous going forward and scored two well worked goals as well as forcing our keeper into some crucial saves.
Sam's equaliser was excellent. It shows what he's capable of but our two 'strikers' huffed and puffed without achieving much. Too much long ball from the back to front players who can't win the ball and lay it off meant that it was not a pretty thing to watch for most of the evening.
2-2 was a fair outcome (possibly favourable to us) and all the players worked really hard...total respect to them. Some were dead on their feet at the end. But we need better tactics and a game plan that allows a squad to change whilst maintaining a consistency of approach.
For example, Tom Bragg scored a great goal from a corner kick a few games ago in the same style that was always Craig's trademark. I've not seen that attempted since. It's a classic set piece which has served us well but we seem to forget about what works and what doesn't.
Similarly, for years our strength was midfield wingers who got the ball to the byline then cut it back for a tap in. Now we often opt for wing backs going forward which leave us exposed with three at the back.
I'd be interested to hear other people's views on our style of play.
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Post by Goldy on Sept 22, 2022 15:29:50 GMT 1
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Post by micmac on Sept 22, 2022 16:03:35 GMT 1
Standards Unfortunally I can't get to the away matches anymore, but always listen to the rocks radio. What is apparent to me is that the officials get a lot of stick, maybe fairly at times, but they have a difficult task and certainly the commentators should keep there opinions to themselves and not go off screaming at the ref. The game last night sounded as if the Rocks got penalised for the abuse both on and off the pitch. Surely the managers and commentators should show a bit more restraint. It sounded as if the team put a good shift in especially as they played a long time with ten men.
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Post by Pete Helsby on Sept 22, 2022 17:36:17 GMT 1
Having refereed myself for a good number of years, referees are always prone to having bad games, exactly the same as players. But if you get abused by players and the bench you, take it on the chin, deal with it. If you are having one of those games you just try to get on with it because unlike players when having an off day, referees cant be substituted, so you are stuck there. Some officials will try and improve their bad performance by forcing the issue and use cautions, etc as a way of trying to get on top of it. That can inflame a situation further. I agree with you though, I listened to the Rocks commentary and it didnt help with the shouting and comments coming over the air. Its not professional and doesnt help matters. Its not easy for anyone when a referee has an off day because players and benches get frustrated, understandably, but they should learn to control themselves because being abusive isnt going to win you any more decisions.
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Post by nasher on Sept 23, 2022 9:15:57 GMT 1
Didn't think the ref was that bad. He was the first one this season to penalise shirt pulling. Yes, a K's player should have been booked for a trip but our sending off for two yellow cards reflected the fact that the Ks were applying a lot of pressure which we found difficult to handle. Robbie deserved his talking to. He was out of the technical area most of the night and bad mouthed the ref. Personally, I don't think he set a good example. Fact is that we started well and scored a lucky / incredible goal in the first half when the Ks were not fully on the offensive. Once they sorted themselves out they looked more dangerous going forward and scored two well worked goals as well as forcing our keeper into some crucial saves. Sam's equaliser was excellent. It shows what he's capable of but our two 'strikers' huffed and puffed without achieving much. Too much long ball from the back to front players who can't win the ball and lay it off meant that it was not a pretty thing to watch for most of the evening. 2-2 was a fair outcome (possibly favourable to us) and all the players worked really hard...total respect to them. Some were dead on their feet at the end. But we need better tactics and a game plan that allows a squad to change whilst maintaining a consistency of approach. For example, Tom Bragg scored a great goal from a corner kick a few games ago in the same style that was always Craig's trademark. I've not seen that attempted since. It's a classic set piece which has served us well but we seem to forget about what works and what doesn't. Similarly, for years our strength was midfield wingers who got the ball to the byline then cut it back for a tap in. Now we often opt for wing backs going forward which leave us exposed with three at the back. I'd be interested to hear other people's views on our style of play.
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Post by nasher on Sept 23, 2022 9:20:09 GMT 1
I'd absolutely agree with Dodgy Keeper; it seems in interviews Robbie, like Jack before him, only ever talks about a leaky defence and forwards not taking chances, but what about the midfield? For me the defence is put under too much pressure from midfield losing possession, and forwards aren't getting enough supply from the centre of the pitch either.
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Post by kof on Sept 23, 2022 12:17:40 GMT 1
I agree with the comment about the mid-field. We've not had an effective mid-field for a few seasons now and the issue hasn't been satisfactorily addressed to date.
Ref the radio commentators, I value their opinions and reaction. They are Rocks supporters after all. But to talk about this and the reaction of the bench is to discuss the symptoms, not the root cause of the problem which is poor officiating. Also, the performance of players and officials in terms of "bad" is by no means comparable. Players performance is down to their skill etc (and play-acting these days) whereas that of officials is the application of the laws and their interpretation in a consistent way - two entirely different things. To expect onlookers to have no adverse reaction to abysmal officiating is naive.
Perhaps, someone should complain to the Vice-Chairman of the FA Board about the poor standard of officiating. Oh!
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Post by Pete Helsby on Sept 23, 2022 20:26:24 GMT 1
Im not naive at all. Fans pay to enter a ground and can express their opinion and frustration. There is a line drawn of course, but they can express frustration at poor officiating and I never said anything different.
But players and the bench have to show restraint however bad officials performances are. To constanly moan at officials will never achieve anything other than disciplinary action which can ultimately cost players bans and fines.
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