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Post by cityboy on Nov 24, 2022 12:13:57 GMT 1
Can somebody please explain the rules on this event. In previous years when I have said why do we enter this competition, the reply has always been we have to, to get entrance into the FA Cup next season. It would seem that Lewes have stuck 2 fingers up at the County FA and now withdrawn from this years competition, having already postponed their game v Worthing due to injuries, just prior to our FA Tropy game. If this is still the case does this mean that Lewes are barred from next year's FA Cup, or is this no longer a FA ruling?
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Post by Goldy on Nov 24, 2022 12:33:29 GMT 1
It’s an interesting one,because it would seem Worthing have played hardball a little and refusing to play Lewes on the same night as England Vs wales (rightly so) after Lewes playing the “we have injuries) the week before But surely it could have been played on a Monday or Wednesday?
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Post by Pete Helsby on Nov 25, 2022 9:59:54 GMT 1
As far as I am aware you are correct.
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Post by stevebone on Nov 27, 2022 17:34:21 GMT 1
I can shed some light on this - I asked the Sussex FA on Friday if there was any link between a team withdrawing from the Sussex Senior, and their ability to enter FA comps like the Cup and Trophy - answer from the Sussex FA - no link.
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Post by kof on Nov 27, 2022 20:47:13 GMT 1
Still doesn't answer the question, does it? Does that mean a club still have to enter the Sussex Cup in order to enter FA competitions, but once entered, they can withdraw without penalty?
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Post by stevebone on Nov 28, 2022 8:53:39 GMT 1
kof -the Sussex FA have told me: "There is no link between our County Cups and FA competitions."
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Post by kof on Nov 28, 2022 9:26:58 GMT 1
Thanks, Steve and apologies for being difficult. Call me a pedant (or anything else), but that statement could mean different things to different people. It's not the same as categorically stating a club must enter County FA competitions in order to enter FA National competitions. If I was a politician, I could easily wriggle out of that statement.
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Post by Pete Helsby on Nov 28, 2022 12:07:50 GMT 1
Thanks, Steve and apologies for being difficult. Call me a pedant (or anything else), but that statement could mean different things to different people. It's not the same as categorically stating a club must enter County FA competitions in order to enter FA National competitions. If I was a politician, I could easily wriggle out of that statement. Kof, Ive got to be honest, l havnt any answer to this. I remember one or two senior clubs in Hampshire pulled out of their competition in the past but l think they had to pay an automatic fine.Since my time in the office l cant think there has ever been a time that it was ever up for discussion. I know we have pulled out of the Isthmian league cup for the last few years.
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Post by stevebone on Nov 29, 2022 15:46:29 GMT 1
Don't mind you being a pedant kof! But the Sussex FA are quite clear - withdrawing from the senior cup does not mean you cannot enter other FA comps. When I asked them they were quite puzzled that I'd even suggested it.
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Post by kof on Nov 29, 2022 17:13:36 GMT 1
OK Steve. I am always suspicious when people say they are being quite clear. I am just trying to get a precise answer to the complete issue. What about not entering the Sussex Cup in the first place? Does that incur a penalty?
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Post by Pete Helsby on Nov 29, 2022 18:12:52 GMT 1
OK Steve. I am always suspicious when people say they are being quite clear. I am just trying to get a precise answer to the complete issue. What about not entering the Sussex Cup in the first place? Does that incur a penalty? This is not an issue and never has been as far as our club is concerned so it is irrelevant.
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Post by kof on Nov 29, 2022 20:18:49 GMT 1
The original question was why do we still have to enter the Sussex FA Cup. I think Pete is saying it is irrelevant whether there is a penalty for not entering the competition because the club always will enter the competition. If this is so or not, we still don't have an answer to the question. I give up.
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Post by Pete Helsby on Nov 29, 2022 22:17:42 GMT 1
Ive allready told you, twice, that l dont know. Is that clear enough!
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Post by stevebone on Dec 1, 2022 23:17:54 GMT 1
kof- not sure how many times I need to say it - the Sussex FA says there is no link between whether a team is in the county cup and whether it can enter the FA Trophy, Vase, Cup. If there is evidence somewhere that the two issues are linked, do tell!
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Post by kof on Dec 2, 2022 9:29:29 GMT 1
Et tu, Brute? This must be go after kof week for trying to follow up a reasonable question. Anyone else want to pile in?
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Post by stevebone on Dec 2, 2022 10:55:59 GMT 1
Kof - I am not 'going after' you - I am just saying I (or to be more precise the Sussex FA) have answered the question but you don't seem to accept their answer, and there is not much I can do about that. To help (hopefully) I have copied below what I asked the Susses FA and what they said...
From me "Can I ask a quick question re Lewes withdrawing from the senior cup? I have seen a couple of people suggesting online that this could mean them not being entered for next season's FA comps. I do recall there is some link between the county cup and national comps but am not sure if this is correct - could you or a colleague there clarify for me?" Sussex FA (Darren Ford) answer: "Was news to me, so I checked with the team and they confirmed there is no link between our County Cups and FA competitions."
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Post by paul on Dec 2, 2022 11:45:59 GMT 1
Just to add to this, the competition rules for both the Sussex Senior Cup and FA Cup are available online for anyone to read. I’ve had a look through both and there’s definitely nothing written down regarding participation in the Senior Cup affecting participation in the following season’s FA Cup, whether that is in relation to withdrawing from the competition or not entering it in the first instance.
The only vaguely interesting things I noted were that withdrawing from the Sussex Senior Cup, once entered, can lead to a fine of up to £400 (mitigating circumstances aside) and, in terms of the FA Cup, a club must be entered into a Step 1-6 league and also be entered into either the FA Vase or FA Trophy to be allowed to compete. Otherwise, I can confirm it was pretty dull reading and hats off to Simon and Peter for making sure we register for the right competitions at the right times and pay the correct entry fees!
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Post by cityboy on Dec 3, 2022 20:17:07 GMT 1
Eastbourne Borough at home in the next round to be played by 21st December
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